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3 thoughts on “WATCH: Should FISA court be abolished amid FBI abuses?”
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Mr. Croner the FBI knew they could get away with this because they have most certainly done it before. You say, ‘If the judges aren’t told the information they need to make the decision…’
Well can’t the judges ask questions? Like, “who is Carter Page?” “Oh, he’s working with the Trump campaign. You want to spy on a member of a campaign and unmask everyone he talks to? Are you kidding me? Where’s the evidence to justify this? If I find out that any lawyers have failed to provided non-corroborating information on this request I will see that you are disbarred as well as any lawyers who sign off on this information.”
Apparently and sadly, the judges have to take a much more adversarial role with the ‘trusted’ FBI than ever before. Unless I see multiple heads roll I will never trust them again.
I think the judges were asleep on these applications and they share much of the blame. Unless spying on campaigns is also routine. Of course we don’t have the transcripts of the proceedings but they would be very interesting to see.
Strongly agree the judges were asleep. However, it would seem they had no reaction after it was out that thinks.were not as suppose to be. If this is true then they were just, lazy, inept or worse.
What do these judges do. Seems it does not take long to listen to the cases they hear.. So do they golf a lot?
The sad truth is, our “Judges” and “courts” give the words of anyone wearing a Badge very high trust. Yes, when any Law Enforcement Officer speaks in Court, the Judge views them as an “Officer of the Court,” meaning, basically, their words are viewed as already corroborated truth. Very little burden of proof is required for what a person with a Badge says in Court, unless there’s a defence Attorney there to force the Judge to demand it. This speaks to the deeply concerning nature of these “secret” Courts and their Hearings that only the accusers are allowed to know about. Any time ANY Court convenes to determine whether your rights are to be violated legally, and you are not provided great latitude in both knowledge of the matter and defense of your rights, the Judge has broken their sworn Oath and set aside the Constitution. This has been going on for decades though, and not just in the FISA Courts. Now that they have these Courts, the only thing that will check these abuses, the only thing that will keep them from growing ever greater, is Judges who are activists for the Constitution, rather than rubber stampers for Law Enforcement. In far too many ways, our Courts have become a limb of Law Enforcement, rather than a separate ruling entity.
Mr. Croner the FBI knew they could get away with this because they have most certainly done it before. You say, ‘If the judges aren’t told the information they need to make the decision…’
Well can’t the judges ask questions? Like, “who is Carter Page?” “Oh, he’s working with the Trump campaign. You want to spy on a member of a campaign and unmask everyone he talks to? Are you kidding me? Where’s the evidence to justify this? If I find out that any lawyers have failed to provided non-corroborating information on this request I will see that you are disbarred as well as any lawyers who sign off on this information.”
Apparently and sadly, the judges have to take a much more adversarial role with the ‘trusted’ FBI than ever before. Unless I see multiple heads roll I will never trust them again.
I think the judges were asleep on these applications and they share much of the blame. Unless spying on campaigns is also routine. Of course we don’t have the transcripts of the proceedings but they would be very interesting to see.
Strongly agree the judges were asleep. However, it would seem they had no reaction after it was out that thinks.were not as suppose to be. If this is true then they were just, lazy, inept or worse.
What do these judges do. Seems it does not take long to listen to the cases they hear.. So do they golf a lot?
The sad truth is, our “Judges” and “courts” give the words of anyone wearing a Badge very high trust. Yes, when any Law Enforcement Officer speaks in Court, the Judge views them as an “Officer of the Court,” meaning, basically, their words are viewed as already corroborated truth. Very little burden of proof is required for what a person with a Badge says in Court, unless there’s a defence Attorney there to force the Judge to demand it. This speaks to the deeply concerning nature of these “secret” Courts and their Hearings that only the accusers are allowed to know about. Any time ANY Court convenes to determine whether your rights are to be violated legally, and you are not provided great latitude in both knowledge of the matter and defense of your rights, the Judge has broken their sworn Oath and set aside the Constitution. This has been going on for decades though, and not just in the FISA Courts. Now that they have these Courts, the only thing that will check these abuses, the only thing that will keep them from growing ever greater, is Judges who are activists for the Constitution, rather than rubber stampers for Law Enforcement. In far too many ways, our Courts have become a limb of Law Enforcement, rather than a separate ruling entity.