What would make a CDC senior scientist call the head of vaccine safety "a pathetic liar"? (PODCAST)

As the public grapples with misinformation and disinformation on Covid-19, a random internal CDC email raises a still-relevant debate about vaccines and autism, and questions of coverups and corruption.

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data-src="https://en77e96vrtu.exactdn.com/wp-content/plugins/TS-Poll/Includes/../Images/loading.gif?strip=all" width=20 height=20 data-eio-rwidth=20 data-eio-rheight=20><noscript><img decoding=async class=TotalSoftPoll_Ans_loading_Img src="https://en77e96vrtu.exactdn.com/wp-content/plugins/TS-Poll/Includes/../Images/loading.gif?strip=all" data-eio=l></noscript> </span><div class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Quest_Div_563> <label>Do you support President Trump’s actions to date with Iran?</label><div class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_LAQ_Div_563></div></div><div class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_Div_563><div class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_Check_Div> <input type=radio class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_CheckBox id=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_563_1 name=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_563 value=2856> <label class="Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_Lab_563 totalsoft totalsoft-question-circle-o" for=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_563_1 style>Yes</label></div><div class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_Check_Div> <input type=radio class=Total_Soft_Poll_1_Ans_CheckBox 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