(FORUM) Big govt. can force actions upon many


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The federal government has grown very large.

Nearly every company of any meaningful size does some business with the federal government.

One consequence is that mandates and actions can be forced upon a large section of the population by the federal government simply implementing orders that must be followed by federal employees and contractors.

Those who work for the federal government or do business with it have little choice unless they are willing to give up their career, livelihood or a healthy chunk of their business.

No longer does the federal government serve the public. Instead, its goal is to survive. And to survive, it must impose its self-interests and will upon the public, rather than follow the public’s wishes and direction.

Is this how the designers of our system intended things to work?

Is this a good thing or not?


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  1. Unbelievable, my husband who works for a Dental Insurance Company that the Federal Govt uses, works remotely for 5 yrs has to get a vaccine because why exactly?
    It’s not about the virus, it’s about control. It’s not only our country, it’s the world. Why?
    Lower IFR than INFLUENZA. Make it make sense…it doesn’t. Our imaginations are left to do that. Mine says bad days are coming.

  2. We need to shrink the govt and not allow tricks like shifting govt employees to private contractors, which has happened in the past.
    We need to eliminate entire Agencies and Departments.

  3. No, this is not how our system is supposed to work. The Constitution provided that only the enumerated powers written in the Constitution were given to the Federal Government by the states, all other power was left to the states. Each state was to retain the power to govern themselves. Today, the Federal Government has usurped so much power that the states have become subservient to the Federal Government, reversing the basic intent and framework of the Constitution and we are at risk of complete destruction of our democratic republic. One major way this has been done, among others, is through extortion by the Federal Government taxing individuals and business in every state, then forcing Federal policy on the states by threatening to withhold Federal funds which belonged in the states in the first place. So we have a completely ludicrous, bastardized system whereby individuals send money to the Federal Government only to have it wasted and a portion sent back to the states with strings attached, thus weakening and nullifying states’ right to govern themselves.

    Think about Biden’s 3.2 trillion reconciliation bill as one current example. This bill has hundreds of pages of left wing dream programs from free college to things so ridiculous as to be almost unbelievable. With this bill comes more Federal tax extortion. One can see with this bill alone that the states will not be governing themselves.

    I think we are at or almost at the point of no return. If the Constitution is to survive, and indeed our democratic republic is to survive, the states must take back their power. The Federal Government is, obviously, not going to correct itself. About the only thing left is to convene a Convention of States. The founding fathers and the states knew that the Federal Government might very well become too powerful over time and insisted that the Constitution contain a method to reverse this, and that became Article 5 of the Constitution. There is hope to check the power of the Federal Government through a Convention of States as defined in Article 5 of the Constitution, barring this, we are on the fast track to socialism or worse, and the Constitution just a quaint memory of the past.

  4. Jeffersonian thoughts –

    “If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy.”

    “To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.”

    “An elective despotism was not the government we fought for, but one which should not only be founded on true free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among general bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others.”

    “This I hope will be the age of experiments in government, and that their basis will be founded in principles of honesty, not of mere force”

    “I think, myself, that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.”

    1. Link,

      [[ Sharyl, this essay had been posted in your pages once before ]]

      Find another of Jefferson’s
      wisdom-quotes in here :

      =====
      ©1999

      Why Bother

      to

      Vote

      If

      You Elect

      Only

      Socialist/Communist Dictators?

      Clever (or ignorant) elites on both the left and right try to convince you that democracy is “mob rule”—that your elected representatives in Congress are to do their bidding, not yours, in voting to influence outcomes for “your” nation’s future.

      Do you know that America isn’t really a democracy? Do you know that this democratic republic isn’t really democratic? Do you know that the idea “majority rule” in a democracy is a greater tyranny than minority rule or rule by dictatorship? Do majorities rule here? Do you wonder why elites are befuddled by low voter turnout? Are you an informed voter?

      Why?

      Some elite politicians and pundits like to use we-can-fool-’em rhetoric, such as “this is government of, by and for the people” or “democracy is the best form of government” or “exercise your democratic right to vote” whenever the popular opinion matches their own, but will resort to warning you about “mob rule” or “tyranny of the majority” or they tout your “representative’s right to a vote of conscience” when it doesn’t. This is rule by dictator.

      Washington Post columnist David Broder believes that elected politicians in Congress are to vote their will, not yours—as do talk-show host Rush Limbaugh and columnist George Will (Limbaugh often warns his listeners against “democracy” and “mob rule” and “populous movements.” Isn’t that very, very curious?).

      In a recent column on the issue of unicameralism, George Will makes this stunningly wrong assertion: “The people do not decide issues, they decide who will decide [for them]” [Richmond Times-Dispatch, “Let Us All Now Give Praise to Gridlock,” November 5th]—such as on the issue of immigration, the elites decide.

      So when you vote, do you care if your would-be congressman agrees with your views on domestic and foreign matters?

      When you vote, do you think that your would-be congressman will follow his campaign promises regarding those matters?

      Why would you vote if you knew that representatives are morally free to disregard all campaign positions and vote their own conscience, against the majority’s wishes?
      Why would you vote if you elect only “representative” dictators who decide matters apart from constituents’ views?

      And why would you need to be an i n f o r m e d voter if your representative decides for you? This is rule by dictator.

      Blame Founder and Framer James Madison for Will’s dangerous view, whom he paraphrases to support his majorities-are-tyrannies position: “Minimize the likelihood of durable oppressive majorities by maximizing the number of minorities — factions — that will coalesce only into unstable, transitory majorities . . . Democracy, far from requiring a small, homogeneous, faction-free society, will flourish in an ‘extensive’ society with a saving multiplicity of factions,” which argument Will uses to decry unicameralism in favor of bicameralism in Minnesota, and which argument applied to any “democratic” society amounts to saying that the more factions among its people and in its deliberative bodies the more can be accomplished—and more correctly so.

      No! That is rule by chaos. It’s hogwash!

      Increasing factionalism is sign of civilization in decline, not ascent. Reducing differences and conflict is the purpose of virtue, of reason, of civil society, of community, of majority rule, and of democratic nationhood!

      What the m a j o r i t y of Founders truly believed can be summed up not with Madison’s words but Thomas Jefferson’s: “The first principle of republicanism is, that the lex-majoris partis [the law of the majority] . . . is the first of all lessons in importance, yet the last which is thoroughly learnt. This law once disregarded, no other remains but that of force, which ends necessarily in military despotism.”

      Thomas Jefferson knew that the far greater tyranny is minority rule, having seen laid out behind him millennia of despotic dictators and cabals oppressing the majority for evil ends, and which kind of oppression America’s white Christian majority – America’s founding race and culture – has suffered under m i n o r i t y cabals of progressive Jews, liberal “Christians” and atheistic humanists in the New Left Movement’s Special Rights Cause for women and blacks, strong in the Fifties – boosted by Left-controlled entertainment industries and publishing houses – and all-powerful by the late Sixties, directing white popular culture away from its high-culture/Judeo-Christian civility towards savage, anything-goes Marxist/socialist/feminism; a savagery effected by despotic, anti-white/anti-male/anti-Christian/anti-American/anti-Western federal courts and leftists in education, entertainment and media—mainstreaming, by their utter stupidity, drug abuse and gambling and pornography and sexual deviancies and STDs and abortion and broken families and out-of-control immigration and kids having kids and kids killing kids.

      Ponder the stupidity of touting the idea “democracy” while at the same time decrying majority rule. That’s what evil elites do!

      From kids’ secret clubs to town hall meetings to congressional committees to national elections the Majority Vote rules, yet those we-know-what-is-best-for-you elites would have you believe that representatives are to dismiss majority opinion when their conscience (Or, say, a whim or money or treason) directs them to decide for you what’s best for “your” country.

      This scribbler shot down David Broder’s stupidity in a ’97 essay, “America: A Democracy or an Oligarchy of Corrupt and Powerful Men?”: We, the people, suffer the distortion that our representatives are to exercise our majority will when they vote; we suffer the misperception that this is government of, by, and for American citizens.

      Again, according to Broder, ours is supposed to be a government by elected elites who can ignore the majority’s will. Broder believes that those holding political office are to exercise their own conscience, rather than the will of the people.

      How many hard-working and middle-class Americans would be surprised by that view—that America is not a democracy nor democratic republic?

      What defines the idea “democracy”?: majority rule.

      What defines the idea “republic”?: quoting Webster’s dictionary, “a state or nation in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives elected by them.”

      What part of that definition is hard to understand—that the “supreme power rests in all the citizens” or “is exercised by representatives elected by them”?

      What does “supreme power rests in all the citizens” mean if not the majority opinion of the citizenry, exercised by “representatives elected by them”?

      It is clear that our representatives are sent to do our – the majority’s – bidding and not their own conscience. Our representatives are elected to do the majority’s will or suffer what Thomas Jefferson gave us strong warning to avoid: “The first principle of republicanism is, that the lex-majoris partis [the law of the majority] . . . is the first of all lessons in importance, yet the last which is thoroughly learnt. This law once disregarded, no other remains but that of force, which ends necessarily in military despotism.”

      There are scoundrels who fear democracy in America since democracy subverts the tyrannical machinations of dictatorial, minority elites—and America is in steep cultural decline because she hasn’t been democratic for decades. Tyrannical anti-democracy socialist/communist elites rule here!

      -Rick

    2. What I’m about to say is unpopular and requires thought. America is a British Colony. George Washington put the Rothschild Bank on our asses first thing. The very First Bank of the US, was owned by the Rothschilds and the King of England. And the founding scammers or fathers set this Roman slave Representative system up so that we could be controlled by The East India Trading Company, and their banksters located in The City of London. We urgently need Direct Democracy now. And anyone like Alex Jones and Mike Adams who claim that direct democracy is mob rule are in fact controlled opposition. Because of course it’s mob rule. It’s the whole damn mob of us Daring to make our own laws and run our own affairs. Why would a free person allow someone else to make his laws and run his or her affairs? Think about it. A German philosopher once said that, “…no one is more hopelessly enslaved than he who thinks he’s free. Thanks for allowing me to speak, Capt Joe Kelley.

  5. This is why it is such rubbish when people defend Big Tech’s censorship on the grounds that they are private companies. Big bee ess on that one. So happy I’m the older end of the age spectrum. George Orwell’s books and the dystopian movies and books of the 50s and 60s are no longer fiction.

    1. I agree with you on being thankful to have lived my life…being at the end of it as opposed to the beginning. Thank God! I don’t wanna be woke! God bless you, Suze!

  6. I believe the federal vaccine mandate affects more people than we realize or talk about. Everyone seems to be talking about the OSHA mandate which is not good either but it at least has a testing option. Those who don’t want to be vaccinated. With a federal employee and government contract mandate you must get the vaccine or a medical or religious exemption. And the exemption is extremely hard to get because companies are relying on outside doctors and lawyers to approve them. I work for a regional blood Center. We have a federal contract to provide blood to the veterans hospital. Therefore we have to follow in mandate as if we actually worked for the federal government. We have 40 other hospitals that are not government that we provide by to. We had to work the entire time during the pandemic because even though we are only talking about Covid there are plenty of people that still have cancer, trauma and other diseases that require blood deserve to have appropriate healthcare and blood products available. The government handling of the pandemic has created an incredible blood shortage across the country like we have never seen before. Now they are going to fire employees who have been working the whole time collecting blood during the pandemic which will therefore make it even harder to provide this vital service to our community. There are a lot of smaller jobs in industries this will affect that nobody is even thinking about. If you are someone that needs to receive blood on a regular basis or are unfortunate to get involved in a major traumatic accident after December 8, I would be very worried. So not only is there not enough doctors and nursing to be able to handle your care, some vital life saving products will not be available either. If this is still truly a pandemic, I cannot understand why the government feels it is OK to let go of healthcare workers that are specifically trained and willing to put themselves on the front line for their communities.

    1. Yeah, too bad that’s so twisted from the original ” If you want to dance you PAY the Piper to play YOUR tune.* (i.e. political donations)
      So, we are getting SCREWED….BIG TIME.

  7. Hey link
    Here’s some AJ thoughts:
    “Whatever yer smoking Tommy, pass it on over here!”

    The Constitutional Convention was a COUNTER REVOLUTION.
    NINETY PERCENT (90%) of the “delegates” represented BANKING INTERESTS (including PAINE and FRANKLIN).
    They created a small, centralized government, easily controlled by MONEY.

    Jefferson was in France before, during, and after the Convention; when he returned, he was so enthralled by the Federalist handiwork that he convinced one of the authors of The Federalist Papers (Madison) to join him as an ANTI-FEDERALIST (and gave a lot of veiled warnings, stopping short of clearly stating”you frickin idiots have screwed the pooch”; he alluded enough to situations similar to what we face today to lead one to think that he believed it would be the inevitable consequence of consolidating the government, even if in the form of “a Republic”).

    The pretext used to justify the ConCon con (Shays’ Rebellion) was most likely a “put up job” (in the manner of 9/11), only one person thereafter being hung, probably for trying to extort more money out of the bankers who had put them up to it.

    The Constitution contains some fine ideals, but when all 3 branches of the government are owned by the banking interests/Zionists, it becomes (in the immortal words of my all-time favorite “terr’ist”) “Just a goddamn piece of paper!”.

    We don’t need (nor can we expect the current elected state legislators to vote to convene) a Convention of the States; before we can get ANYPLACE politically, we MUST have OUR OWN POLITICAL PARTY, beholden to NOBODY but employing some PRINCIPLES and PROCEDURES that haven’t seen the light of day for over 2000 years:

    ACTUAL JUSTICE, the consensus party
    (aka “AJ”)
    Rather than a “simple majority” (which usually turns out to be a determined MINORITY which seems to always find common ground with the opposition when it comes to buttering the bread of the bankers/Zionists/warmongers and/or screwing their constituents), the party and it’s elected representatives pledge (on pain of recall and excommunication):

    – To only vote for legislation, regulations, and rules that have 7/8s support of whatever body of voters they represent, to work and

    – Vote for the rescindment of any all legislation, regulations and rules which fail to maintain 7/8s support, and

    – To only nominate and support candidates who achieve greater than 7/8s backing and recall those who fail to maintain that level of approval,

    – Use SORTITION (selection by lot from available candidates) when 7/8s consensus is unable to be reached and when those elected are recalled until such time as another consensus candidate can be nominated and elected.

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