Update March 11, 2022 with longest observational study yet showing long lasting natural immune response
Update Jan. 14, 2022 with fully vaccinated surpassing vaccinated in Australian hospitals
Update Dec. 16 with most Omicron Covid US cases reported among vaccinated
Update Dec. 12 with Israel study and study on higher vaccine side effects when given to those who already recovered
Update Dec. 5 with Danish data on natural immunity more effective than vaccine immunity
Update Dec. 1 with Qatar study on rarity of serious reinfection
Update Nov. 7 with US study finding dramatically waning vaccine effectiveness
Updated Oct. 30 with UK data showing no difference between viral load/spread in vaccinated and unvaccinated
Updated Oct. 29 with Israel data showing vaccine immunity wore off in just a few months in all age groups
Updated Oct. 13 with UK info showing waning vaccine effectiveness after 3-4 months
Updated Oct. 3 with Finnish study showing antibodies after Covid-19 infection persist for a long time
Updated Sept. 12 with CDC-funded study finding U.S. population reached what some experts said is “herd immunity” levels last May. Also, updated CDC number of fully-vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths with Covid.
Updated Sept. 8 with new study in Science Transitional Medicine and recommended spacing of Covid-19 RNA shots due to declining effectiveness and lack of effectiveness of vaccine mandates
Updated Aug. 27 with large Israel study that finds dramatically better protection from natural immunity than vaccination
Updated Aug. 24 with Israel changing policies with recognition that the Pfizer vaccine allegedly wears off after several months.
Updated Aug. 6 with CDC analysis of Kentucky (unvaccinated Kentuckians had “2.34 times the odds of reinfection” compared with fully vaccinated) and national analysis in Israel (vaccinated Israelis were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection). More below.
Important note: Scientists say antibody tests are not the only way to measure a person’s immunity; some people who have fought off Covid-19, either with or without symptoms, and have immunity will not have measurable antibodies in their systems. Therefore, a negative antibody test should not be considered proof of lack of immunity.
The Natural Immunity Factor
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) became one of the latest high-profile figures to get sick with Covid-19, even though he’s fully vaccinated. In a statement Monday, Graham said it feels like he has “the flu,” but is “certain” he would be worse if he hadn’t been vaccinated.
While it’s impossible to know whether that’s the case, public health officials are grappling with the reality of an increasing number of fully-vaccinated Americans coming down with Covid-19 infections, getting hospitalized, and even dying of Covid. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) insists vaccination is still the best course for every eligible American. But many are asking if they have better immunity after they’re infected with the virus and recover, than if they’re vaccinated.
Increasingly, the answer within the data appears to be ”yes.”
141 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted
Update: March 11, 2022: The longest observational study yet finds persistent immunity 18 months after natural infection, which beats out two-dose vaccine immunity.
Why does CDC seem to be “ignoring” natural immunity?
In fact, some medical experts have said they’re confounded by public health officials’ failure to factor natural and virus-acquired immunity into the Covid equation. Public and media narratives often press the necessity of “vaccination for all,” chiding states where vaccination rates are lowest. And they use vaccination rates and Covid case counts as inverse indicators of how safe it is in a particular state: high vaccination rate = high safety; high case counts = low safety (they claim).
- The Clot Factor: A Full Measure Town Hall
- The Clot Factor
- The Microvascular Research Foundation
- Long Vax, Long Covid Resources
- Covid-19 Natural Immunity: The Definitive Summary
- Covid-19 Vaccine: 80 of the Most Common Adverse Events
- Covid-19 Vaccine Concerns Summary
- Covid-19 Vaccine Analysis: Common Adverse Events
- Covid-19 Origins: Separating Rumor from Fact (WATCH)
- Report a Possible Vaccine Adverse Event
However, vaccination rates alone tell little about a population’s true immune-status. And where high Covid case counts occur, it ultimately means a larger segment of that community ends up better-protected, vaccines aside. That’s according to virologists who point out that fighting off Covid, even without developing any symptoms, leaves people with what’s thought to be more robust and longer-lasting immunity than the vaccines confer.
The vaccine immunity problem
Hard data counters widespread public misinformation that claimed “virtually all” patients hospitalized and dying of Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Pfizer and Moderna had claimed their vaccines were “100% effective” at preventing serious illness. Many in the media even popularized a propaganda phrase designed to push more people to get vaccinated: “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”
Not so, say CDC and other data.
Listen to podcast with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who addresses the strength of natural immunity
Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said “viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky’s false claim.)
Below: CDC’s data with light blue showing fully vaccinated. Dark blue is unvaccinated (but may include some fully vaccinated.)
CDC’s newest findings on so-called “breakthrough” infections in vaccinated people are mirrored by other data releases.
Illinois health officials recently announced more than 160 fully-vaccinated people have died of Covid-19, and at least 644 been hospitalized; ten deaths and 51 hospitalizations counted in the prior week. Israel’s Health Ministry recently said effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has fallen to 40 percent. Last month, 100 vaccinated British sailors isolated on a ship at sea reportedly came down with Covid seven weeks into their deployment. In July, New Jersey reported 49 fully vaccinated residents had died of Covid; 27 in Louisiana; 80 in Massachusetts. In Iceland there is a spike in cases, mostly among the vaccinated, among a highly-vaccinated population that had previously claimed to have defeated Covid-19. Of 116 cases diagnosed in one day, 73 were among the vaccinated; 43 were unvaccinated.
Nationally, as of July 12, CDC said it was aware of more than 4,400 people who got Covid-19 after being fully vaccinated and had to be hospitalized; and 1,063 fully vaccinated people who died of Covid. But health officials still argue that vaccinated people make up only a small fraction of the seriously ill. Critics counter that CDC’s recent Massachusetts data calls that into question.
Update Jan. 14, 2022: Data published in Australia shows the number of fully vaccinated Australians In the hospital with Covid-19 surpassed the number of hospitalized who are unvaccinated. “The number of double-dose vaccinated patients in intensive care units (ICUs) also surpassed those of the unvaccinated, with 50.3% of the vaccinated presenting to ICU with COVID-19, more than the 49.1% who are unvaccinated.”
Update Dec. 16, 2021: As Omicron hits U.S., most initial cases are reported among vaccinated. “Officials disclosed the vaccination status of 66 of the infected individuals. Of those, the vast majority, or 52, were fully vaccinated. Some had even gotten booster shots.”
Update Dec. 12, 2021: Israel study Covid-19 infections and severe disease were higher among the vaccinated than those who recovered from the illness. The naturally immune had a 10.5 per 100,000 infection rate 4-6 mos. following recovery, vs a 69.2 per 100,000 rate among vaccinated. The number of severe cases was also higher among the vaccinated: 0.9 percent of all cases among that group were severe, compared with 0.5 percent of cases among the recovered.Researchers found that protection against infection dropped over time among both the recovered and vaccinated, but the drop was more pronounced among the vaccinated.
Update Dec. 12, 2021: A study finds those who previously had Covid and then get vaccinated may be at higher risk of adverse events from vaccine.
Update Dec. 5, 2021: Danish data indicates previously-infected are two times less likely to be identified as Covid-positive than fully-vaccinated.
Update Dec. 1, 2021: A study from Qatar finds death from reinfection after people have had one case of Covid is unheard of. “None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death. Reinfections were rare and were generally mild, perhaps because of the primed immune system after primary infection.”
Update Sept. 7, 2021: CDC said it was aware of 2,675 fully vaccinated people who got Covid and died, and 11,440 more who were hospitalized with Covid for a total of 14,115, a small fraction of the seriously ill.
Update August 6, 2021: CDC has released a small analysis in Kentucky and indicated that it’s proof that vaccines are more effective than natural immunity. Read the analysis here. According to CDC, among the reinfected sample, 20% had been fully vaccinated. Among those who had Covid and were not later reinfected, 66% were unvaccinated. “Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated.”
Update August 6, 2021: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.
Update August 27, 2021: A large study in Israel finds natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization for the Delta variant of Coronavirus compared to two-doses of Pfizer vaccine.
According to the study, after three months, risk of infection was 13.06 times higher among vaccinated patients and they were 27 times more likely to experience symptoms than unvaccinated people who’d had Covid previously.
Participants who were double jabbed were 5.96 times more likely to be infected and 7.13 times more likely to experience symptoms including cough, fever and shortness of breath.
Update Oct. 29, 2021: Israeli researchers find “Immunity against the Delta variant from Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine waned after a few months across age groups.”
Update Oct. 30, 2021: A UK study finds “fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings,” “peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type” and “Household Secondary Attack Rate for delta infection, regardless of vaccination status, was 26%.”
Update Nov. 7, 2021: A U.S. study finds after 6 mos. Moderna vaccine effectiveness drops to 60%. Pfizer drops to 49%. J&J drops to 13%. Last yr, FDA’s Dr. Hahn said FDA wouldn’t authorize vaccines that weren’t at least 50% effective.
The bright side of recovering from Covid-19
But there’s promising news to be found within natural and acquired immunity statistics, according to virologists. As of May 29, CDC estimated more than 120 million Americans— more than one in three— had already battled Covid. While an estimated six-tenths of one-percent died, the other 99.4% of those infected survived with a presumed immune status that appears to be superior to that which comes with vaccination.
If doctors could routinely test to confirm who has fought off and become immune to Covid-19, it would eliminate the practical need or rationale for those protected millions to get vaccinated. It would also allow them to avoid even the slight risk of serious vaccine side effects.
Read more about Israel cases here
Unfortunately, virologists say no commonly-used test can detect with certainty whether a person is immune. A common misconception is that antibody tests can make that determination. But experts say immunity after infection or exposure often comes without a person producing or maintaining measurable antibodies.
Because of that reality, people who have had asymptomatic infections — infections where they suffered no symptoms — have no easy way to know that they’re immune. However, a growing body of evidence indicates that the millions who know they got Covid can be assured they’re unlikely to suffer reinfection, for at least as long of a time period that scientists have been able to measure. Possibly far beyond.
Update Aug. 24, 2021: With evidence of seriously-waning immunity at the five- to six-month mark, CDC is now recommending a third “booster” shot. In highly-vaccinated Israel, recognition that vaccination likely does not confer protection beyond a few months, the country has reimagined its vaccine passports. They will only apply to people who have had three shots, and only be good for a six month period of time. So far, the U.S. government has only adopted the third booster recommendation for certain individuals.
Update Sept. 8, 2021: Due to the waning immunity of Covid-19 vaccines, scientists are considering spacing out the two shots longer. They theorize that giving them as close together as they did was a mistake because the two shot regimen “acted as one shot” in terms of immunity. Other countries have already added additional weeks of spacing between the two Pfizer and Moderna shots.
Update Sept. 8, 2021: A study in Science Transitional Medicine finds natural infection may provide more powerful protection than double dose Covid-19 vaccination.
Update Sept. 12, 2021: A CDC-funded study finds the U.S. population reached a combined 83% natural infection and vaccine-induced immunity in May, 2021. That would mean the percentage is substantially higher today and beyond what many scientists said was necessary to achieve “herd immunity.”
Update Oct. 3, 2021: A Finnish study of Covid-19 recovered patients that looked as far as 13 months after infection finds “protection against re-infection is long-lived, although antibody-mediated immunity may not persist equally well among elderly subjects.” Federal scientists have previously found that flu shots are ineffective in the elderly due to immune issues. As more of the elderly got flu shots over the years, more of them died rather than the other way around, according to the definitive government study.
Updated Oct. 13, 2021: Data from the UK finds vaccines are “highly effective,” but effectiveness wanes after as little as 3-4 months.
The immunity-after-Covid-infection studies
The following are some of the data and studies relevant to immunity acquired after Covid infection.
This is the longest observational study yet, finding persistent immunity among naturally infected 18-months later, outperforming two-dose vaccine immunity.
141 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted
Epidemologist Dr. Paul Alexander has compiled this list.
Protection and waning of natural and hybrid COVID-19 immunity
This study from Israel shows vaccinated people were twice as likely as unvaccinated, previously-infected to get a serious Covid case and were six times more likely to get Covid.
Severity of SARS-CoV-2 Reinfections as Compared with Primary Infections, Nov. 24, 2021
This study finds death among those reinfected with Covid is unheard of. “None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death. Reinfections were rare and were generally mild, perhaps because of the primed immune system after primary infection.”
This study finds “Household Secondary Attack Rate for delta infection, regardless of vaccination status, was 26%” and “peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status.”
Waning Immunity after the BNT162b2 Vaccine in Israel, Oct. 27, 2021
Unlike natural immunity, Israeli data confirms that the Pfizer vaccine wore off in just a few months in all age groups.
Persistence of neutralizing antibodies a year after SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans, Sept. 24, 2021
This Finnish study of Covid-recovered patients finds “protection against re-infection is long-lived, although antibody-mediated immunity may not persist equally well among elderly subjects.”
Analysis of the Effects of COVID-19 Mask Mandates on Hospital Resource Consumption and Mortality at the County Level, Sept. 3, 2021
This study by government scientists finds “There was no reduction in per-population daily mortality, hospital bed, ICU bed, or ventilator occupancy of COVID-19-positive patients attributable to the implementation of a mask-wearing mandate.”
Estimated US Infection- and Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Seroprevalence Based on Blood Donations, July 2020-May 2021, Sept. 2, 2021
This CDC-funded study finds the U.S. population reached a combined 83% natural infection and vaccine-induced immunity in May, 2021. That would mean the percentage is substantially higher today and beyond what many scientists said was necessary to achieve “herd immunity.”
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections, Aug. 24, 2021
This large study in Israel shows “natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.”
This study followed 254 Covid-19 patients for up to 8 months and concluded they had “durable broad-based immune responses.” In fact, even very mild Covid-19 infection also protected the patients from an earlier version of “SARS” coronavirus that first emerged around 2003, and against Covid-19 variants. “Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients,” concludes the study scientists.
This study of airline passengers in Qatar found that both vaccination and prior infection were “imperfect” when it comes to preventing positive Covid-19 test results, but that the incidence of reinfection is similarly low in both groups.
This study used “deep mutational scanning” and found natural infection may provide more powerful protection than double-dose Covid-19 vaccination: “This greater binding breadth means that single RBD mutations have less impact on neutralization by vaccine sera compared to convalescent sera.”
Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals, June 1, 2021
This study followed 52,238 employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System in Ohio.
For previously-infected people, the cumulative incidence of re-infection “remained almost zero.” According to the study, “Not one of the 1,359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a [Covid-19] infection over the duration of the study” and vaccination did not reduce the risk. “Individuals who have had [Covid-19] infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination,” concludes the study scientists.
SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B-cells from individuals with diverse disease severities recognize SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern, May 29, 2021
This study found strong immune signs in people who had previously been infected with Covid-19, including “those [who] experienced asymptomatic or mild disease.” The study concludes there is “reason for optimism” regarding the capacity of prior infection “to limit disease severity and transmission of variants of concern as they continue to arise and circulate.”
A population-based analysis of the longevity of SARS-CoV-2 antibody seropositivity in the United States, May 24, 2021
This study of real world data extended the timeframe of available data indicating that patients have strong immune indicators for “almost a year post-natural infection of COVID-19.” The study concludes the immune response after natural infection “may persist for longer than previously thought, thereby providing evidence of sustainability that may influence post-pandemic planning.”
SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans, May 24, 2021
This study examined bone marrow of previously-infected patients and found that even mild infection with Covid-19 “induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans.” The study indicates “People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime.”
People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime.
World Health Organization (WHO) scientific brief, May 10, 2021
This scientific brief issued by WHO states that after natural infection with Covid-19, “available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months.”
Detection of SARS-CoV-2-Specific Humoral and Cellular Immunity in COVID-19 Convalescent Individuals, May 3, 2020
This study found humoral and cellular immunity in recovered Covid patients. “Production of S-RBD-specific antibodies were readily detected in recovered patients. Moreover, we observed virus-neutralization activities in these recovered patients,” wrote the study authors.
The adaptive immune system consists of three major lymphocyte types: B cells (antibody producing cells), CD4+ T cells (helper T cells), and CD8+ T cells (cytotoxic, or killer, T cells
From: Antigen-Specific Adaptive Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in Acute COVID-19 and Associations with Age and Disease Severity
Protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of BNT162b2 vaccine protection: A three-month nationwide experience from Israel, April 24, 2021
This study from Israel found a slight advantage to natural infection over vaccination when it comes to preventing a reinfection and severe illness from Covid-19.
The study authors concluded, “Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”
A 1 to 1000 SARS-CoV-2 reinfection proportion in members of a large healthcare provider in Israel: a preliminary report, March 6, 2021
This study found a rare Covid-19 positive test “reinfection” rate of 1 per 1,000 recoveries.
This study finds people who had Covid and then got vaccinated with Pfizer, anyway, may be at higher risk of adverse events from vaccination.
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19, Jan. 26, 2021
Research funded by the National Institutes of Health and published in Science early in the Covid-19 vaccine effort found the “immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection,” and hoped the vaccines would produce similar immunity. (However, experts say they do not appear to be doing so.)
SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in a cohort of 43,000 antibody-positive individuals followed for up to 35 weeks, Jan. 15, 2021
This study found Covid-19 natural infection “appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection” for at least seven months. “Reinfection is “rare,” concludes the scientists.
Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to eight months after infection, Nov. 1, 2020
This study confirmed and examined “immune memory” in previously-infected Covid-19 patients.
Negligible impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants on CD4+ and CD8+ T cell reactivity in COVID-19 exposed donors and vaccinees, Nov. 1, 2020
This study concluded “T cell” immune response in former Covid-19 patients likely continues to protect amid Covid-19 variants.
Orthogonal SARS-CoV-2 Serological Assays Enable Surveillance of Low-Prevalence Communities and Reveal Durable Humoral Immunity, Oct. 13, 2020
This study found that “neutralizing antibodies are stably produced for at least 5–7 months” after a patient is infected with Covid-19.
SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls, July 25, 2020
This study found that all patients who recently recovered from Covid-19 produced immunity-strong T cells that recognize multiple parts of Covid-19.
They also looked at blood samples from 23 people who’d survived a 2003 outbreak of a coronavirus: SARS (Cov-1). These people still had lasting memory T cells 17 years after the outbreak. Those memory T cells, acquired in response to SARS-CoV-1, also recognized parts of Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2).
Much of the study on the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, has focused on the production of antibodies. But, in fact, immune cells known as memory T cells also play an important role in the ability of our immune systems to protect us against many viral infections, including—it now appears—COVID-19.
“Immune T Cells May Offer Lasting Protection Against COVID-19”
Read: scientific commentary by Jay Bhattacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
I would love to definitively understand the truth about whether natural immunity is more protective than “vaccine” immunity. I strongly suspect that it is, and this article goes a long way to further support natural immunity.
My question is this: Is there anyone (or trustworthy medical association) keeping a database of ALL valid existing studies, and charting/graphing the outcomes related to natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity so that we can prove that these studies/results are not being “cherry picked” to support a conservative bias? This seems like something that would be of value, but I do not know of a truly unbiased source taking this holistic look at all outcomes so we can understand and prove the absolute truth when challenged.
Thanks for sharing this. I have a desire for truth. So many in our world believe governments are the source of it and as a result they they not only living in fear but taking actions that aren’t protective while ignoring ones that are dangerous. I created a webpage, no ads that you may find useful as a resource. It’s been days of late night work. https://gotohigherground.com/covid19resourcepage.htm
“Ultra-Vaxxed Israel Shattered Their Record for Covid-19 New Cases …
Are ‘Vaccines’ Spreading Covid-19 Faster?”
https://noqreport.com/2021/08/31/ultra-vaxxed-israel-shattered-their-record-for-covid-19-new-cases-today-are-vaccines-spreading-covid-19-faster/
The answer is YES! According to what I’ve heard several virologists report, if too many people get vaccinate for a virus, that alone, causes variants! And YES, again! They are more contagious than we are!
COVID data have been biased from early 2020,
to make the disease COVID look worse than it really is,
and in 2021, to make the vaccines appear better
than they really are.
Here are the examples i can recall:
New medical definition of a “case”
that requires only a positive PCR test,
but no symptoms.
PCR tests with CTs of 35x to 40x,
creating many false positives
(“cases” with no symptoms are
usually people who are NOT sick)
New definition of cause of death
where a person in a nursing home
near death, let’s say for heart disease,
would be declared as a “COVID death”,
based only on a positive PCR test,
or only ANY visible symptoms of
any respiratory infection.
CDC reduced the recommended
PCR test CT to 28x for vaccinated only,
to reduce the count of embarrassing
“breakthrough” infections.
The CT count recommendation
was not reduced for non-vaccinated
to keep the “case” count high.
CDC decided not to track breakthrough
infections that did not result
in hospitalizations or death
(most don’t require hospitalization).
CDC allowed Moderna and Pfizer
to claim that no test subjects died from
COVID during the trials …
when in reality a small, similar number of
vaccine recipients and placebo recipients
did die … but the manufacturers
were allow to claim the deaths
had nothing to do with the shots,
which is a conflict of interest,
whether true or false.
CDC is discouraging autopsies
of post vaccine deaths.
I know of only one done in the US,
and it found spike proteins
generated by the vaccine
killed an elderly patient.
Moderna and Pfizer defined
“vaccinated” as starting two weeks
after the second vaccine.
With three weeks between vaccines,
that would add up to five week period,
where anyone infected with COVID
would be declared to have been
“unvaccinated”.
So it’s possible that 34 days
after getting the first shot,
and 13 days after
getting the second shot,
you could die from COVID,
and be declared to have been
an “unvaccinated” person.
That’s deceptive.
I think all of these kinds of misrepresentations and cover-ups are what make most of us skeptical of the vaccine. Then add the mandate, now it’s over-the-top, suspicious.
Good research in the article. From my perspective (having contracted Covid in Feb 2020, and later vaccinated) this article sidesteps the serious questions a bit. Compiling all of these sources is laudable. The difficult questions of severity of infection amongst the unvaccinated population is not addressed. Are you really saying that given the choice we would be better off not vaccinating the entire population of India? Most estimates pin their “excess deaths” during the time of Covid at around four million. The role various mutations will have on efface of natural or induced immunity is not able to be addressed, because what the next variant hasn’t happened yet. The big unknown in this virus is “is it manipulated?” in other words man-made. If it is man made, then it can be expected to perform outside the matrix used for naturally occurring viruses. So who is at risk? Immunocompromised individuals are at risk. That includes people being treated for cancer, and that is a large population. So how do I fulfill the command to “Love your neighbor as yourself” in this situation? If I for just one moment take the focus off of “me” and “my rights” and look at my impact on others, the obvious choice is do all you can. Whatever harm is being caused by vaccination seems to be heavily outweighed by the benefits it brings.
Question: If a person who receives the vaccine has a breakthrough case will their body produce natural immunity with antibodies, t and b cells?
Thank you.
DS
I’ve been listening to your podcasts and have read the Aug 27 Israel study you referred to above, as well as two other large scale Israeli studies (https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2101765?articleTools=true) and (https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475?articleTools=true). It is very clear from the research that natural immunity is far better than vaccine-induced immunity. However, to get natural immunity, a person has to be infected. One of the Israel studies concluded that the risk of adverse events is less in vaccinated individuals than in unvaccinated. So – even if the immunity provided by the vaccine is not nearly as good as natural immunity, it seems a strategy may be to get vaccinated and take advantage of the immunity it provides and, if you get subsequently infected, you would get natural immunity at less risk of an adverse event. However, this strategy assumes that taking the vaccine DOES NOT affect an individual’s immune system so that acquisition of natural immunity is hindered by taking the vaccine. Are you aware of any studies that indicate that a vaccine hinders natural immunity in a subsequent “breakthrough” case of COVID?
I can’t speak with authority to the question, not having done a deep dive.
I would say based on what reading I’ve done, there are very individual calculations. For a young person, who faces increased heart risks with vaccination but almost no meaningful chance of serious injury from Covid, the calculation might be different than an old at risk person. I don’t think not formulas fits everybody, we have seen that play out in the numbers. Also, there are some who believe vaccination could hinder natural immunity or even, via ADE, make one more susceptible. I think the jury is out on many of these questions.
Thank you so much Ms. Attkisson for stepping out of sensational journalism and into facts. My husband and I are just recovering from Covid-19 and I am even more appalled by the journalist who continue to report on all the “hospitalized unvaccinated” showing infants hooked up to heart monitors and the like. Sadly, a young neighbor of ours who contracted Covid-19, died recently, but he was also obese, had diabetes and circulatory problems. The people ending up in hospitals, even babies as tragic as this is, have bigger problems they are dealing with at the same time. I would love to see stories written about all of us throughout this country, who stay home sick with Covid-19, feel rotten for a couple of weeks, and then get back to life. Let’s make being sick with Covid, less terrifying and less isolating. Imagine if we had a bank of home remedies that gave some relief.
Any way, thank you for your wonderful article.
It’s the typical back-and-forth modus operandi of the liars-in-power intended to mislead and deceive the public. YET… most people KEEP buying into their criminal games — see “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” by Rolf Hefti at www dot CovidTruthBeKnown dot com
“Vaccines are highly efficacious,” Fauci concluded. “They are better than the traditional response you get from natural infection.” Fauci showed this slide (Titled: Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) are standing up to variants really well, so far. White House COVID-19 Response Press Briefing, Address: https://i.insider.com/6092cd8534af8d001859b5e9?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp) during Wednesday’s briefing, which has a graph showing better antibody protection against variants in previously infected people after vaccination. The point – a vaccination provides those previously infected with a great booster to make them super-resilient to variants. Look, vaccine technology is the most natural of medical technology as opposed to surgeries and medications; it literally just uses your body’s existing immune technology.
Sharla, Please take a look at this. Thank you! https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/more-voodoo-epidemiology-at-the-cdc.php
Io vivo in Italia, ho letto l’articolo e speravo di trovare dati molto più precisi ed eloquenti, invece ho trovato solo un mucchio di dati non riscontrabili. Non c’è inserito nessun sito internet dove poter accedere per controllare quanto scritto nell’articolo. Sono un pó deluso.
Looks like a new paper may need to be added to the list. The paper was posted Aug. 25, 2021.
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
I have been infected twice by Covid-19, by the original variant in early 2020, and then in June this year by the Delta variant. The two infections were roughly a year apart. In both cases I had mild symptoms. The only “serious” symptom I had the first time around was extreme exhaustion, which lasted about a week. The second time around, the only visible symptom was a dripping nose and a headache, which also lasted about a week. I have never been vaccinated (for no other reason than that here in South Africa the roll-out has been very slow). I am now beginning to doubt whether there is any need to get a vaccine, that if my natural immunity was able to see me through two infections, why should I think that immunity is not good enough?
I am so glad I found this information. I am a teacher and it breaks my heart when I see my teen aged students rushing out to get the vaccine with their parents. We do not know enough about this vaccine and the long term consequences. I have been previously infected and fortunately only felt like I was really really run down for a couple days. 3 Monthly blood tests, mostly to check my cholesterol but I asked my Dr. to throw in the antibody test, and my antibodies are still going strong. My issue now is, as we are approaching the opening of the school year, we are all required to wear masks, vaxed or unvaxed, but I am sure the mandates are coming. I’m in NY and like a couple other states out there, very much into the lock downs and rules. I have already heard comments or seen social media comments from colleagues pushing vaccination for all and are for the mandates. I hope some new exceptions become public so I don’t have to get this new vaccine.
Dear Ms. Attkisson – Thank you for this article. I’m part of a grass roots effort (Mom’s For Liberty) in a county in NC and we are trying to convince our school board that natural immunity means something! There’s a ridiculous NC state school toolkit that they must follow with regards to quarantine for masked and unmasked students. One of our parents in our group shared the following information about the new COVID/Flu tests. Have you heard about this or can you investigate? (I’m unable to copy/paste her post so below is what she typed…)
“Got some interesting information from a family member that works in a hospital….When they are testing for COVID the test is actually COVID/INFLUENZA so no matter what they test positive for it gets logged as POSITIVE for COVID and gets tracked as data and for billing even if they were negative COVID and POSITIVE flu!”
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/healthcare/2020/08/04/qa-do-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-covid-19-patients/112873160/
The one flaw I see in his presentation is the attribution of lower “case” fatality rate changes to vaccines. There are many other things at work:
1) the delta variant is less deadly
2) alpha has worked its way through the vulnerable population thereby reducing the vulnerable population
3) millions of people have found out about the therapeutics
I am 62 years young and had Covid in December of 2020. My symptoms were so minimal, I wouldn’t have known I had it if it were not for the loss of my smell and taste (for only 3 days, thank God). But, I stayed home from work the mandated 10 days and caught up on my binge-watching. Fast forward 8 months to mid-August, 2021. My 24 year old daughter, who is now living with me starts feeling crummy over the weekend, and by Sunday evening has a slight temp of 102. Per my work’s policy, I call in to report that I’ve been exposed. I stay home and figure I will make her chicken soup and give her Tylenol. We catch up together on our binge-watching and she feels much better in a just a few days. On Tuesday we get the Covid PCR test and she is positive. By the end of the week I have nary a symptom. I’m walking the dog, raking leaves, feeling perfectly perfect. But as required to return to work, I get a Covid PCR test – it’s NEGATIVE!. But, here’s the big news – I am not vaccinated AND, I recently had an anti-body test and have zero antibodies, but obviously I have a few T cells doing what they are supposed to do. My daughter coughed and sneezed on me throughout the week n a small 1275 sf house (and we didn’t wear masks – lol!) I now consider myself a living, breathing example of the beauty of natural immunity. I am not an anti-vaxer, but my I now believe that my body is capable of beating the crap out of any experimental gene therapy. My workplace is talking about mandating the vaccine for all employees regardless of medical or religious reason. If this happens, I will be sadly taking my leave and they will be losing a dedicated employee. When will this insanity end? When will we be told the truth?
Oh my. You do understand that all vaccine technology relies on your body learning to generate an immune response. The messenger RNA tells the muscle cells most proximate your injection site to make what’s requested – in this case – the spike protein. Once our bodies see the spike protein, our natural immune system naturally ramps up to destroy the infiltrator – our immune system is now trained to detect and destroy the spike protein. Now if you get a Covid infection, your trained immune system can attack and defeat the infection. Medical community postulates that the spike trained immune response is more generic than a response trained for the Covid-19 A variant. The mRNA can only request some of your cells (those receiving the message) to create the spike protein and undelivered mRNA is just broken down in 2-3 days. There is no genetic alteration of your cells. If you’re worried about that, I’d start protesting pesticides and petrochemicals being dumped into our environment.
“…unvaccinated Kentuckians had “2.34 times the odds of reinfection” compared with fully vaccinated…” The study defined reinfection as individuals with a positive test not new illness. Considering that tens of millions have had Covid in the US, the number of individuals studied was minuscule. Our large health system in the midwest is not gathering data on Covid patients currently in the hospital regarding prior Covid infection, length of stay, need for ventilator, age of patient, vaccine status, etc. And they tracked no data on reactions in the thousands that they vaccinated.
This without a doubt is honest journalism and the research involved reveals the integrity and the scientific data that reveals that honesty. Thank you for providing your readers with a great deal of current information upon which decisions and life choices can be gleaned. Great job!