With Donald Trump poised to take office for a second term, there is one facet of American society that stands to be upended up in a major way. And it could impact all of us. The 2024 campaign is the first since the end of the Covid emergency. And important figures who turned from mainstream to maverick as a result may play crucial roles in an effort to transform the medical establishment. If it happens, it could be the biggest paradigm shift in the sector since the advent of modern medicine. One key player is Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo who spoke with me in a rare interview about what he’d like to do in the next Trump administration.

The following is a transcript of a report from “Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.”
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Ladapo: I personally would, I actually would like to be secretary of HHS, and the reason I would like to do that is because I’m in it for impact. Like, if I can’t have impact, I’m not in it.

Dr. Joe Ladapo’s desire to “have impact” became clear during the pandemic. When Covid hit, he was a professor of medicine at the University of California researching heart health. He became one of the mainstream figures to break away and speak out early against the disastrous shutdowns, CDC mandates, and government misinformation.

Sharyl: Why do you think so few public health officials were in that mindset? Because you would think there would be more people in mainstream medicine who would be looking around and seeing the same things that you saw.

Ladapo: The pandemic was really just something remarkable because somehow you got people and, you know, almost everyone’s good intention, almost every single person walking on this earth has good intentions. And somehow you got so many people with good intentions to engage and really enroll in things that are obviously very clearly immoral and badly intended. And so that’s a remarkable thing.

Sharyl: Like what?

Ladapo: Everything from the closure of avenues that people need for their, you know, their spiritual and emotional nourishment, whether that’s connection with other people, whether that’s being able to visit loved ones in the hospital, whether that’s kids being able to play outside, the right for people to literally not accept something that is completely experimental in terms of the, the vaccines. And has very little data and also very little data on whether it might even benefit them if they’re a healthy person. And forcing those kinds of things, taking people’s jobs away when they didn’t accept those policies even after they’d worked for a long time. And were otherwise, you know, great nurses and doctors. And then forcing people not to do what they were trained to do in terms of doctors who supported and felt, had confidence in things like, you know, whether it’s ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, whatever it is that they felt could help their patients, forcing them to, to not engage in that or trying to leverage them out of it by threatening their license: I mean, so many immoral, clearly immoral things that are anti-human and anti just anti the will of people with good intentions.

Born in Nigeria, Ladapo earned his medical degree and a PhD in Health Policy at Harvard University.

In September 2021, he was tapped by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis to be the Sunshine State’s Surgeon General.

Sharyl: What did you see as your mandate or your main purpose as you got hired originally?//

Ladapo: And so I felt very clearly that my objective, my role, was to reset the tone. And the tone was ‘fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.’ You know, ‘must do this, must do this, must do this. Everyone get in line, everyone get in line, everyone get in line.’ And I just wanted to rip that all apart and remind people that people and individuals are what matter and their will matters and their preferences matter and good health matters. And those are the things that are most important. So that was my mandate just to, to somehow counter reset, push back against, offer people something different to latch onto instead of all the, the garbage that we were being fed.

That includes, he says, information about the Covid vaccines. He also analyzed data available in Florida, deploying his background in researching cardiovascular disease.

Ladapo: One of the things with these m the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines is they’re not good for your heart. And again, it’s so sad to see, you know, the degree of corruption in our CDC and FDA to willfully ignore and, you know, diminish the importance of data that they don’t like. But that’s what’s happened. So one of the things that, you know, is very clear now from multiple studies is that for some people, they have, they experience cardiac effects, bad cardiac effects from, from these vaccines. So it is the case that, you know, it it that some of those, some of those individuals do unfortunately die because of the, because of the harm done to their heart. That’s, you know, CDC never talks about that, but it’s absolutely the case.So we did an analysis using our data, and we looked at the, the incidents of, of cardiac death after these vaccines. And what we found was that the strongest signal for cardiac death, and it was something somewhere around an 80% increased risk was in young men. And that was the only group that we found that that signal in. And, you know, the study’s not perfect, but literally the group that we found the signal in also happens to be the group that we know physiologically is at greatest risk for cardiac effects. And so we, we talked about that. Obviously it was very controversial, but it also, it aligns with common sense. And it’s totally a fact. I mean, this is the group that’s being more affected.

Ladapo isn’t the only esteemed medical figure who bucked the establishment over Covid and is now allied with Donald Trump. Others who’ve been speaking with Trump officials about taking a role in the new administration include:

Stanford’s Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. He was among the first to formally organize opposition to the shutdowns. The Great Barrington Declaration is a petition signed by more than 63,000 scientist and medical practitioners.

And Dr. Aseem Malhotra a top British cardiologist. He became an activist on Covid vaccine safety after he says his father, also a doctor, died from the vaccine.

Another person who stands to factor in, in a big way, is attorney and children’s health advocate Robert F. Kennedy Junior. He joined the Trump campaign with a “Make America Healthy Again” mantra. He may take on a new role to oversee an end to corruption in public health agencies.

Sharyl: What are your thoughts about the case that no one’s been held accountable, or even if you wanna say, a lot of the missteps were accidents that I haven’t seen changes that have been made that would prevent that from happening again?

Ladapo: Oh, no, yeah, totally. Well, that’s quite a series of string of accidents. There’s one accident after the next. It’s clearly intentional the, the position that the CDC has been and the decisions that they’ve made.// Most of them I think are deliberate and intentional and yeah the organization has problems and they have problems with sort of being honest, and accountability. And it’s not gonna get any better without like, different leadership. I mean, that doesn’t just go for the CDC. This issue, unfortunately, the default position of government organizations is to protect and preserve self over, like truth and honesty, just self-preservation is a primal instinct for these organizations.

Sharyl: If someone gave you authority to wave a magic wand and fix some of these things, and you could do so, what are some of the things that you would attack?

Ladapo: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. So, so I, I think that, so first, absolutely you need the right leaders in place and you know that that’s actually a longer conversation because leadership has a lot to do with you know, people sort of often think of it as being an external thing, but it’s actually absolutely, primarily an internal thing. So when people take really good care of themselves, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, guess what, you have someone who can really be a good leader. But you need good, leaders to begin with. And then, you know, then you need to deconstruct the issues. And oftentimes these organizations have a culture. And it’s not like a culture with a little c, it’s a culture with a capital C. So it literally infests every action that members of the organization take. And so you need to be able to first define that the culture is about to be redefined and communicate that. And then you need to, you need to be able to determine who is so ingrained in the old culture of like, ‘protect vaccines above anything else,’ ‘protect our reputation above anything else,’ you know, ‘twist facts or data and don’t show stuff that that doesn’t fit with whatever objective is,’ who’s so married to that old culture that they can’t see another way forward. And it’s not personal, but those people can’t be part of the organization if the organization’s going to change.

Ladapo says his clinical experience treating patients would also help separate him from others, such a the current leader at HHS, Xavier Becerra. Becerra, a lawyer, is the first Hispanic to be Health and Human Services secretary. Prior to that he was a Democrat party official in Congress.

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